eljagg01 (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

Not on modern factory farms.

SansAuthoritas (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

Neil, property is only yours if it was previously unclaimed/unutilized. If I am able to productively farm on a piece of otherwise unused land, it's mine.

mikeyooh7 (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

The value of your labor can only be determined by you, thus the value of the goods you buy are determined by you. When you work you realize the value of your labor, or you dont work. The goods you buy reflect the amount of labor it takes you to purchase those goods.

zambizzi (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

All societies run on an economy of some sort. Exchange of goods and services is the very basis of civilization itself. All economies are based on redistribution. Material goods are distributed from one party to the next. The method of how *best* to do this is the only question left. What is the most efficient, stable, fair, and compassionate method to do this? Free, uninhibited Capitalism is the answer to that question. Why? Because it is VOLUNTARY between you and the other party.

neilwe (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

And where does it come from originally? Eventually if you go back far enough you'll find that, whatever it is, both the property you are purchasing and the means by which you are purchasing it derive from a theft of some sort. The notion that most property is the outcome of your labour is also pure bullshit. Most of your property is either the product of another person's labour or inheritence. This is partly because the money you earn is completely disproportionate to the labour you contribute

wenaolong (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

Wanton cruelty and being killed and eaten are two different things.

NecroButcher91 (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

Jean Jacque Rousseau thought that although animals don't possess the faculty of reason, they do share with humans an ability to empathize with the suffering of others, often regardless of species. And based on this common faculty, he thought the beasts deserve to be protected from wanton cruelty.

playgrrrr (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

i was hoping that this was more about the philosophical view, but it turns out it is only a "how it applies" aka freedom for dummmies guide. nothing new for me. maybe someone else learns something from it.

joezep37 (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

wake up america is a fallacy, u want the dirt go to the french revolution, all mans inherient flaws layed out, all philosophical questions were answered and it wasnt the answer we wanted. hoffel at your peril my good friend!

zambizzi (December 31, 1969 at 11:59 pm)

Uhhh....WHAT?